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    I need help–my husband needs help. They say you cannot quit and get sober unless you want to. I believed my husband when he told me he wanted to be sober-but with all the chances he has had to actually get sober (and failed) I am thinking he may not want this all that much.

    I know that I have to stop enabling. I dont want him to be in pain, but the minute he starts to feel that withdrawal pain- he runs right back to it! I think the longest he has gone without it is 48 hrs. I find out at the end of this week if our insurance improves the subutex prescription. He says that will not work- he tried subutex for 2 days and did not like how it made him feel.

    Has anyone that was severly addicted to heroin found ways to detox from it? I need advice from ppl that have been there before. I wanna believe what he tells me about it, but i cant help but think it is all bs.

    I need words of wisdom from ppl who have been there and beat that so that I can pass this along to him. We have tried subutex and methadone. Our main prob is that he is functional at his job and we need him to keep that job. detoxing has to be an at home thing for us.

    Any words of wisdom or advice is greatly appreciated. I just need to know what is bs and what isn’t

    #160208
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    Methadone is not BS, but methadone doesn’t really solve the problem of the drug addiction–it just trades one addiction for another. However, it relieves the pressures and expense of trying to score heroin, and at the same time it acts as a heroin blocker (so the addict doesn’t get high if he/she decides to “cheat” the program). For people who are at rock bottom, or heading there fast, it can be a lifesaver. I used that to detox in 1992 or so.

    Unfortunately I’ve relapsed several time since, the most serious of which was this year.

    In the past few years there’s been much interest in buprenephrine (suboxone) so I decided to give it a try. It’s been great. It turns what is normally a 50% physical and 50% psychological struggle into something that is virtually 100% psychological. He won’t be in pain at all if he takes the suboxone route, except he will have to skip using for about two days before he starts suboxone. So there’s a little pain up-front but as soon as they put you on suboxone it’s smooth sailing. Virtually no withdrawal.

    For example I took 2mg of suboxone yesterday (down from 4mg) and was trying to decide if I felt any withdrawals. Well, I wasn’t sure. Maybe I feel a little achy but it’s nothing that couldn’t be attributed to psychological factors. Compare that with full-on heroin withdrawal, with the goosebumps, the dry heaves, the sweats, the shakes… detoxing from heroin I’ve never been “not sure” if I was in withdrawal!! In short it’s 1000 times better, and I strongly recommend it. It’s a little pricey but I just tell myself that it’s a fraction of the cost of a habit.

    @nowheretogo 1479954 wrote:

    He says that will not work- he tried subutex for 2 days and did not like how it made him feel.

    Well, he’s not supposed to like it!! The idea here is that you detox from heroin without going through living hell, not to take a chemical vacation. It doesn’t get one high at all, at least not anybody with an opiate dependency problem. It sounds to me like his attitude is wrong. He has to quit, NOW, even if it hurts. If he uses subutex the worst he’ll have to do is take a few days off from his job for some sick days.

    Also a question is how much they started him on. I started on 16mg and I had no problems. I’ve heard of people starting at 8mg or even 4mg and having big problems making the switch.

    Unfortunately there is no miracle drug that changes people’s behavior, so it’s trite but true: his success depends entirely on his own internal commitment to quitting. If he doesn’t really want to quit, he’ll either fail quitting or he’ll quit and quickly relapse.

    #160194
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    If he cold turkeys he’s gonna need a few days off in order to be dopesick. If he’s tried sub and methadone and failed then maybe he just wants to get high.

    Kicking dope hurts and it sucks. He might just have to suck it up and deal. He ain’t gonna die from being dopesick. He’ll want to die but it ain’t gonna kill him.

    #160196
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    I agree with windy. It feels like forever, but it’s not.

    Peace & Love,
    Sugah

    #160205
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    I’ve gone to detox, and I’ve kicked in jail without even an extra cup of Kool-Aid. There wasn’t this subwhatever drug there is now. Whatever they used on me in detox, I think it was like a blood pressure medicine or something for a couple of days didn’t do alot but helped a bit. Suggestions that have worked when trying at home were….hot baths, to help the aches and the cold chills and they do help.

    I have been clean & sober for 10 years now. I can tell you it can be done….Heroin was my drug of choice too. My point is this….maybe he NEEDS to feel the pain? Maybe he should remember how BAD it is to come off of it? He doesn’t have to feel it again unless he chooses to get back on it….simple resolve. Easy…no, but simple yes. Don’t use….you wont’ have to go through the withdrawals again….believe me I know. It took me 20 years of trying for these 10 continuous years I have now!

    You mentioned he has to keep his job….if he keeps using…he won’t have it anyway. Priorities….how bad does he want to stop? What is he willing to do or go through to stop? Choice is his…..

    #160203
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    I started taking Suboxone in February and haven’t done heroin since…..haven’t drank or done any other drugs either. This has been the longest time without in MANY years.

    LabRat

    #160211
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    Ive been up high on my doses of oxycontin…snorting, never shooting….

    I dont make a claim to be nearly as in dire straights as some heroin users, but i have a friend who had a high heroin tolerance then a high oxy tolerance and he said that there are some definitely strong similarities.

    Im going for suboxone treatment to kick this habit, but I know some who have done it straight up. I can tell you that I have gone cold turkey more than a few times and it is worse each time. Each time I relapse….and this time Im trying something different.

    One way or another, best of luck.

    #160207
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    I agree with you all. Either way you go sucks. The methadone has its own hell. I’m on it now and sometimes I hate it for drawing out the inevitable and other times it is a blessing due to the physical pain that i endure due to a car wreck. One day very soon the methadone will be gone due to tapering. The subutex also has its own hell. Yep, tried that too. But if there is a will there is a way. I know that is a bit cheesy but it is the truth. It depends on how bad you want it or your SO wants it. Everbody has a different story..but there are only 2 endings. You either kick it or you die. Please kick it or help someone else kick it. Viki

    #160204
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    It was cold turkey for me, by force. They still do that in Egypt.
    Painful, but over in a week, a relief for sure.
    In my opinion, just get it over with.
    Now if it were Benzos, an entirely different story. The withdrawal nearly killed me!
    Like Windy said ” It (Heroin) won’t kill him.
    Good luck…

    #160206
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    Thank you all! I needed this reassurance. I figured that he was just overexaggerating. He tells me he will die from withdrawals. I told him the other night that we are paying out of pocket for the subutex (which would be 16 mg a day three times a day.) and he will deal with the pain. Cause onc ehe gets over the pain (whether it take him a week or a month) it will be done and over with. Now that I know for sure that he will not die, I am not going to be nice anymore.
    He has the chance to detox and he is going to. I know they say mental is a big part of dxetoxing as well. A friend of his od last night (but came out of it) so we had a big talk about what he wants from his life. I told him he doesnt want to quit and after experiencing that with his friend he said he is ready.

    Please pray for us-
    we go to the dr today to get his rx refilled.

    #160195
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    @nowheretogo 1481286 wrote:

    Thank you all! I needed this reassurance. I figured that he was just overexaggerating. He tells me he will die from withdrawals. I told him the other night that we are paying out of pocket for the subutex (which would be 16 mg a day three times a day.) and he will deal with the pain. Cause onc ehe gets over the pain (whether it take him a week or a month) it will be done and over with. Now that I know for sure that he will not die, I am not going to be nice anymore.
    He has the chance to detox and he is going to. I know they say mental is a big part of dxetoxing as well. A friend of his od last night (but came out of it) so we had a big talk about what he wants from his life. I told him he doesnt want to quit and after experiencing that with his friend he said he is ready.

    Please pray for us-
    we go to the dr today to get his rx refilled.

    Good reading for the upcoming episode….”Permanent Midnight” by Jerry Stahl

    #160200
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    Hey, If he is willing to stop and make an effort than he stands a chance. A detox facility is a great place to do this. I definetly wouldnt recommend trading off to another drug though. Millions of people have gone through this including myself and Just for today do not have to use. Blessings

    #160210
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    I saw an addictions documentary, and it said that for long-time users, subutex might not work for them. Methadone would be more appropriate. Methadone allows someone to be functional, so your husband could probably keep his job. Also, Subutex is crazy expensive, whereas, methadone is more commonly covered by insurance.

    #160201
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    It really doesn’t matter so much what drug he uses to detox with as much as state of mind. If you are in a controlled enviroment like a detox it would probably be better as long as they don’t release him when he is still sick

    #160198
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    Hi there..just wanted to tell you I am sorry you have to deal with that nasty addiction…I am on day 4 AGAIN from heroin…I have cold turkey kicked the crap many times..and no ..it has never been any fun..I have never found a magic pill to get me through it either…He has to be willing to be miserable for awhile…
    Doiing heroin is kind of like being bitten by a vampire…
    I hope he can get some support from other addicts ,,clean addicts..that is what will make the difference ..it has helped me through this many times..
    love north

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