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- August 18, 2012 at 11:32 pm#27707AnonymousInactive
Modafinil + Neurontin
right now there is a ‘prometa’ treatment for math/cocaine. the forumula is secret, but it apparently works on the GABA system. it is known that the formula uses 3 already approved FDA medications.
i am trying to figure out what they are, and I think I have 1 so far.
Neurontin . I think this is really important in treatment of stimulant abuse, do your own research, but I would bet that this is the main active ingrediant in the Prometa treatment (which boast an almost 20k price tag currently). Neurontin works on the GABA system to help nerves and CNS regenerate.
regarding frontal lobe, coke/meth and other drugs decrease the amount of dopaime activity there, modafinil is shown to activate and use certain pathways to counter this negative effect. this is responsible for higher cognitive abilitis and reasoning that former drug users often lack.
part of the bad part of drugs is they can cause certain negative feedback loops in the brain, which is kinda like a short circuit. Modafinil may be helpful in reversing this.
Talk to your doctor about Modafinil and Neurontin if you are one of these people recovering from stimulants. He will have the best information, also do your own research and investigation and take an active part in your own health.
also dr mercola is an aweseom resource for all types of infoAugust 18, 2012 at 11:59 pm#106936AnonymousInactive
Modafanil IS a Schedule 3 CDS itself, or 4, but its definitely controlled. I tweaked hard for 9 years, switching from Coke to Meth to Adderall to Ritalin to Modafanil is no different than going from Heroin to Methadone to Percocet to Vicodin. You cannot treat drug addiction with drugs, if you could, I’d do it. Its called substitution. I tried, and learned the hard way. But that’s just my experience. Maybe this will work for you.
Modafanil is definitely lightweight compared to meth or even amphetamine, but it still tickles the same receptors that meth and amphetamine feed, and the phenomenon of craving continues. I knew a guy who was on Modafanil maintenance, and all he wanted was to get back on stronger amphetamine.
Anyone addicted to stims should detox, and go to NA or AA, in my opinion.
If psychiatry worked to cure addiction, well, you figure it out.
Modafanil is a stimulant. Do the math. Or learn the hard way, by taking the path of least resistance. The easy way is the hard way. The hard way is the easy way, when taking the long view, which few addicts want to do.
JoeAugust 19, 2012 at 12:04 am#106931AnonymousInactive
Thanks for the info. Christian. Some people may get help from this drug.
I looked into it when I was detoxing, but it’s hard to find.
If it gets someone off meth, then more power to them!!
Thanks again for the info!August 19, 2012 at 4:19 am#106940AnonymousInactive
also i was wonderin if this had any effect on opiate addicts goin thru detox.if anyone knows or where to look it up please post it asap.anything is better than suboxone or subtex.this does not work.good luck and thanks for the info-sparkAugust 19, 2012 at 4:22 am#106932AnonymousInactive
From what I have read on it and heard about it, it is only for amphetamines, meth, coke, and I guess alcohol as well.August 19, 2012 at 4:32 am#106925AnonymousInactive
That’s scary. My best girlfriend was just prescribed Adderall. I don’t know what it is.August 19, 2012 at 4:34 am#106933AnonymousInactive
For what? That’s for ADD?August 19, 2012 at 4:34 am#106934AnonymousInactive
It’s a stimulant and if you have ADD it helps to slow down the brain.
But it is often abused, esp. by those who don’t really have it.August 19, 2012 at 4:37 am#106926AnonymousInactive
okay, thanks.August 19, 2012 at 11:46 am#106927AnonymousInactive
I do know about neurontin………that crap turned me into a knucklehead. I was so wacked on brain meds(neurontin, zyprexa, lithium, other crap) when I got out of detox. When I showed up at rehab it took me 2 weeks to recover from all that crap. Everybody at the rehab thought I was mentally retarded. Really. I couldn’t walk straight. I couldn’t talk right. Man, it was scary. I thought I was gonna be like that forever. I thought to myself, “Okay, Windysan, you’ve done it now. You’ve bought the farm, dude. You are now an official crazy, retarded burnout”. After about 2 weeks of drinking TONS of water and peeing a LOT(good advice from a stripper friend in rehab) I started getting better. People told me that they really thought I was retarded.
I stay away from all that crap. I know some people need medication but I don’t want any of it…..nada. That crap had my head screwed on backwards. The only thing I take is ibuprofen when I have pain.August 19, 2012 at 3:28 pm#106942AnonymousInactive
I was prescribed Neurontin from a addiction psychiatrist to help with sleep while going through opiate withdrawal and I did a little research on it. Apparently it is not approved by the FDA for anything other than some kind of nerve disorder, etc. The company that manufactures it is having some problems because they have been marketing the drug for other uses which are not FDA approved, particularly psychiatric conditions. If you do a google search on it you can see that there are a few lawyers out there trying to gather people for a class action suit against the manufacturer.
That said, I haven’t noticed the problems with it that you did Windysan, however, I am only taking it at night to make me sleepy, and taking a low dose. I am definitely going to be discussing it with my Dr. though next time I see him. I think the reason he prescribed that instead of something like Ambien was because the Neurontin is supposed to be non-addictive…August 19, 2012 at 5:07 pm#106937AnonymousInactive
“Addiction is physical, the treatment is medical” runs the Prometa ad campaign.
“Addiction is physical”. I disagree. Addiction is compulsive behavior, the repetetion of a pleasurable experience, ad nausueam, until one destroys one’s life. It is a disordered manner of coping with reality. The addict takes substances (physical) because he or she cannot cope (psychological/mental/spiritual) with reality. If addiction is merely physical, then so is life, and all things, and mainlining meth to deal with our miserable lives should work just fine (meth is physical, meth is chemical, and meth is also available via prescription, as Desoxyn, so methamphetamine is medical too)
Methadone is a medical treatment for addiction. Cocaine-laced home remedies were touted as a cure for morphine addiction in the 19th century. Methadone was touted as a treatment for heroin addiction. How many happy methadonians do you know? I have met many, and all they complain of is the fact that they need more methadone, or they want to go back on dope.
If you give a drug addict pills, you reinforce his or her basic (and dysfunctional) relationship with reality, which states that the answer to all of life’s problems lies outside him or herself, in a drink, drug, orgasm, or person.
Granted, I’d rather have a million Prometeans running around than a million hardcore meth or crack fiends, but there will never be a million Prometeans running around, bccause no serious drug fiend will stay on it, or be able to afford it.
I have been on Modafanil and Neurontin, they did not work to cure this fiend.
Of course a drug addict will be happy if you are giving him drugs in a controlled environment for the purposes of a medical study, but the notion that a pill will cure addiction is typical of the American way of thinking, which is predicated on quick, easy answers, usually in pill form.
I am fat, “take a pill”. I feel bad, “take a pill”. I want to be more beautiful, “get plastic surgery.”
But perhaps this treatment will work, and crackheads, drunks, meth freaks and no-hopers the nation over will suddenly become contented, productive, useful citizens. If that happens, I’ll be the first to applaud. Until then, I’ll keep hanging out in church basements.
And how much money did they pay poor Chris Farley’s family to use that vile picture of him they’re using to advertise this campaign?
When something looks too good to be true, it usually is. But that’s just my opinion.
( And science IS the new relgion, also in my opinion. )
Addiction is physical, the treatment is medical, medical treatment is physical, and you get the recipe: substitute one drug for another, and make billions of dollars off of poor hopeless addicts. Addiction is chemical, medical treatment is chemical etc.
PS- AA and NA have over five million members, and they’re both free, and they work. But maybe this will work too, who knows? I just know 12 Step Recovery saved my ass, and I’ve been homeless, locked up, etc. Good luck to anyone out there suffering from substance abuse issues. I feel you, and my thoughts and prayers are with you.August 19, 2012 at 5:22 pm#106938AnonymousInactiveliveweyerd wrote:That’s scary. My best girlfriend was just prescribed Adderall. I don’t know what it is.
ouch. Adderall is 4 amphetamine salts. Doctors can still prescribe it, but I am weary since it is amphetamine. At least I konw I would never take it. But amphetamine and ritalin are shown ‘effective’ treatment for ADD and certain other tests, meaning the scores will be higher on certain tests that measure ADD cognitive performance, ext…
but what is missing from the equation, is what are the long term side effects of taking an amphetamine, and is it really worth it?
BUT, from what I was reading, there can be certain negative feedback loops that occur in drug users (the short circuits) that persist even after cesation of the drug itself. So I mean obviously there needs to be a treatment from a wide variety of angles, AA/NA, diet, exercise, therapy, possible anti-depressant treatment, or as I mentioned earlier Modafinil or Neurontin.windysan wrote:I do know about neurontin………that crap turned me into a knucklehead. I was so wacked on brain meds(neurontin, zyprexa, lithium, other crap) when I got out of detox. When I showed up at rehab it took me 2 weeks to recover from all that crap. Everybody at the rehab thought I was mentally retarded. Really. I couldn’t walk straight. I couldn’t talk right. Man, it was scary. I thought I was gonna be like that forever. I thought to myself, “Okay, Windysan, you’ve done it now. You’ve bought the farm, dude. You are now an official crazy, retarded burnout”. After about 2 weeks of drinking TONS of water and peeing a LOT(good advice from a stripper friend in rehab) I started getting better. People told me that they really thought I was retarded.
I stay away from all that crap. I know some people need medication but I don’t want any of it…..nada. That crap had my head screwed on backwards. The only thing I take is ibuprofen when I have pain.
true, I was paranoid and weary of any and all medications (and doctors for that matter) for a period of probably 6 years (until this date). Now I am slowly weaning back to trusting the medical establishment and community. No doubt just prescribing drugs is not goign to fix a problem, but its prossible to elp.
The way I look at it, if I am able to take all these illicit drugs to fsck up my head, then I should also be able to take some ‘good’ drus to help me on recovery. I think the mail point is really the desire to get better, and it needs to be looked at from many angles, like social aspects even, what is your place socially now that you are not using? Can you still goto ‘the party’ and be clean, can you still have your old friends? What is your new role, its pretty hard to get adjusted to.AVR wrote:I was prescribed Neurontin from a addiction psychiatrist to help with sleep while going through opiate withdrawal and I did a little research on it. Apparently it is not approved by the FDA for anything other than some kind of nerve disorder, etc. The company that manufactures it is having some problems because they have been marketing the drug for other uses which are not FDA approved, particularly psychiatric conditions. If you do a google search on it you can see that there are a few lawyers out there trying to gather people for a class action suit against the manufacturer.
That said, I haven’t noticed the problems with it that you did Windysan, however, I am only taking it at night to make me sleepy, and taking a low dose. I am definitely going to be discussing it with my Dr. though next time I see him. I think the reason he prescribed that instead of something like Ambien was because the Neurontin is supposed to be non-addictive…
This is true. and also resolved now. Warner-Lambert, a one-time independent now owned by Pfizer that recently pled guilty to illegally marketing Neurontin for treating ailments it wasn’t approved to cover before August 1996. Warner-Lambert paid a sizeable fine ($430 million) and its parent agreed to stricter rules to compliance laws tighter than existing marketing rules. In addition, it also agreed to fund a multi-million program to educate doctors about Neurontin.
The Warner-Lambert executives who executed the marketing plan were never prosecuted for their shenanigans. Lastly, and most importantly, Neurontin sales in 2004 are projected to exceed last year’s totals: $2.7 billion. Federal law prohibits drug firms from marketing their products for treatments that aren’t FDA-approved. Neurontin’s expressed use was as an anti-seizure drug for epileptics early on and later for shingle-related nerve pain.
What I am referring to specifically regartding Neurontin, is regarding the Prometa treatment for stimulant abuse. It uses a combo of FDA approved meds to treat stimulant treatment in specific, since it is theorized by someone who is really smart in the area of stimulant abuse 🙂 that stimulant abuse can cause lasting changes to certain areas of the brain related to the GABA system, so essentially it could be looked at as say your brain is a highway system, and stimulants ‘re-route’ certain roads or freeways in this area (well I would guess all drugs reroute to some extent). And Neurontin acts on this area of the brain to help restore central nervous system functions.
I am just guessing here, but I wuld guess Prometa contains Neurontin as one of its ‘proprietary blend’ of FDA approved ingrediants. I am currently on Neurontin now at very low doses. Let me start with saying my problem in specific, I get these severe headaches, jaw aches, neck aches, back aches, I think its a resultant combo of PTSD and stimulant abuse. I starting the neurontin at very low doses, and notice a mild improvement in my head and nerves. Its almost as if before I had permanent ‘lock jaw’ or coke jaw that those who abuse stimulants konw what im talking about. My parents told my when I was young not to stare at the TV or else I may permanently become like that, well this is what may have happened with stimulants and the jaw tensions ext …
Anyways I think the neurontin is helpful IN MY CASE, which is probably the labeled reason for taking neurontin, namely neuropathic pain (nerve pain,tension especially in the jaw/neck).
Regarding Neurontin for opiate abuse, I did some quick search, and it can possibly be helpful for immediate opiate withdrawl, but I dont think long term it is effective.
The main point is the Prometa treatment for stimulants I am pretty sure is based on Neurontin, but it costs upwards of $20,000. so for those of us who
might not be able to do that, neurontin would be a possible alternative … but only if you think u have neuropathic pain (constant head pain or headaches or tensions or neck/jaw tensions). If not and you think you can benefit from neurontin, you may want to talk to you doctor and get SMALL dose and see if it benefits.
As with anything I reccomend, the first point is that it is not harmful. Neurontin is shown to be safe and well tolerated with little side effects, similar to Modafinil.
This is not the case obviously for all presription/FDA approved MEDS, as some MESD will rip apart your liver, cause blindness (viagra), heart attack (vioxx), and otherwise tax/destroy your system/kidneys/liver, or otherwise have negative side effect profile.
So these things at least are safe and worst case is they would not help you. ..
ok, well I gtg for now, I will continue later with more information on Mofainil as I focused this post on Neurontin primarily. but dont confuse meds for the answer, as I stated before I think you need to approach from as many angles as possible, meds being one of them.August 19, 2012 at 5:27 pm#106930AnonymousInactive
I took neurontin after back surgery for pain. I had a tumor scraped off a nerve, therefore neurontin. It made me sleep all day and all night. I hated it, although it did get rid of the pain.
I am on provigil, but I didn’t start taking it until I was about 13 years sober and clean. My psychiatrist says it is not a stimulant in the medical sense. It helps me to focus and do what I need to do during the day. However, I do notice that if I’m out of pills for a few days, I spent those days very tired.
CarolAugust 19, 2012 at 6:08 pm#106935AnonymousInactive
Christian from what I (think I know) Prometta is not a long term thing is it?
Isn’t it used to help people get off of stimulents and then to be weaned off of?
Or am I wrong?
I know in the beginning I looked into to it, because I was so desperate to get off of meth. I was completely hopeless.
But now that I’m off, I wouldn’t go on it. I do know I need to get back on my antidepresants, but they are not marketing this as something to say, replace anti’s, are they?
Just curious, it’s been a while since I read up on it.
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